You also have to admire the thrust of his beard.noiseradio wrote:You have to admire that kind of naked hubris in an artist.
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Taking the rest of the discussion over here, I will concede that you can tell if you do like something if you like it on a computer screen, but you really can't dismiss it. Keep in mind that these paintings were never meant to be reproduced to 8 1/2 x 11, or brought down for you to check out. These are big paintings, for the most part, and they were hung above one's head, so what looks like poorly designed proportions from head on might look quite different when you see it how it was meant to be seen, with certain parts of the painting much closer to your face (and therefore bigger) than other parts. It's like saying, "Hans Holbein sucks, did you see that huge smudge at the bottom of his portrait of Henry VIII?" When you look at the painting in its original context, you see how the artist took advantage of the physicality of the viewing context to add a memento mori (the smudge becomes a skull if you look at it from the right angle). So maybe, just maybe, there are aspects of the artistic process in 16th-century Rome that aren't best judged on a computer screen.
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This reminds me of when the Tate's Turner/Whistler/Monet show was on last year and the reviewed it on the telly, they were raving about Whistler's Nocturnes, and said you simply had to see them in the gallery to get the magic of them, a reproduction on your TV screen wouldn't do it. They then showed a couple of them and they looked fantastic, so I can only guess at the effect of being in a darkened room with them. Sadly, I never made it to the exhibition.
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Lucky for me I *did* make that one-- phenomenal. One of the best exhibs I've ever seen, frankly. I'm a bit sick-to-death of Impressionism and this show really renewed Monet's brilliance for me. Seeing their respective but related takes on the Thames and the Houses of Parliament was a rationalist's dream come true, and the paintings themselves were a sensual feast. Can't beat that combination really!Otis Westinghouse wrote:the Tate's Turner/Whistler/Monet show was on last year
I guess that rules out Botticelli...Bambooneedle wrote:If I know someone paints people uncomfortably out of proportion for instance I can move on and enjoy something better.
To say nothing of those medieval hacks like Duccio who clearly never looked at real human hands (and talk about cranking out paintings for the church!):
And then there's that overrated Spaniard, Goya-- did he just paste that head on, or what?:
We won't even get into El Greco and Picasso.
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Oh I adore Goya. When I was living in Boston, the MFA had a Goya exhibition that included a large portion of his Disasters of War series. Dark dark stuff, but I love it...selfmademug wrote:And then there's that overrated Spaniard, Goya-- did he just paste that head on, or what?:
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A personal fave although I can't really spend more than fifteen minutes pouring over the illustrations or I risk sleeping with the lights on.
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For bad art, you can't do much better than this:
http://www.museumofbadart.org/
I love the acquisition details - "Acquired from trash in Boston"
http://www.museumofbadart.org/
I love the acquisition details - "Acquired from trash in Boston"
Yeah, Ive long been a fan of the Museum of Bad Art, there are quite a few other great bad art sites as well, scattered around the web -
echos myron like a siren
with endurance like the liberty bell
and he tells you of the dreamers
but he's cracked up like the road
and he'd like to lift us up, but we're a very heavy load
with endurance like the liberty bell
and he tells you of the dreamers
but he's cracked up like the road
and he'd like to lift us up, but we're a very heavy load
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Does looking straight at an internationally-acclaimed piece of art bring the same emotions sparked by listening to, oh say, "The Wall" by Pink Floyd?
(No sarcasm intended here, it's just a question I've always wondered)
(No sarcasm intended here, it's just a question I've always wondered)
Preacher was a talkin' there's a sermon he gave,
He said every man's conscience is vile and depraved,
You cannot depend on it to be your guide
When it's you who must keep it satisfied
He said every man's conscience is vile and depraved,
You cannot depend on it to be your guide
When it's you who must keep it satisfied
Lord I hope not. I think "The Wall" is utter crap. But in answer to your question of whether can art evoke the same level of emotion as music, my personal answer is 'almost'. I'm sure there are many for whom the answer is a resounding YES.Extreme Honey wrote:Does looking straight at an internationally-acclaimed piece of art bring the same emotions sparked by listening to, oh say, "The Wall" by Pink Floyd?
"I don't know art, but I know what I'm supposed to like." -- Woody Allen.
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Did you see the Goya sketches altered in this very way by Jake and Dinos Chapman a few years back for their Insult To Injury exhibit for the Turner prize? Brilliant stuff.Who Shot Sam? wrote:Oh I adore Goya.selfmademug wrote:And then there's that overrated Spaniard, Goya-- did he just paste that head on, or what?:
I'm a Munch man myself...bobster wrote:Funny, someone once said the same thing to me. Well, it was Edward Munch, but otherwise, it was the same thing.miss buenos aires wrote:I've had a soft spot for Renoir ever since one of my friends in high school told me I looked like someone in one of his paintings...
Apparently El Greco suffered from a form of astygmatism which was the reason his figures always appeared elongated.verena wrote:Oh not El Greco please, his paintings frighten me.
Another artist who is not usually associated with brush and pen, but whose work in that medium really impressed me in a Tokyo exihibition about 15 years ago, is David Lynch.
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Although that El Greco theory has also been discredited by scholars. Who knows, but for me he's one of the most powerful of all. El Entierro del Conde Orgaz is a lovely summary of existence as they saw it:
Allegedly that is Domenicos Theotokopoulos (or something like that, his real name) looking straight at us, about 7 from left, just above hand. A lovely idea. It's in its own little chapel in Toledo, and is profoundly moving to see. I have a reproduction above my bed, just in case I die in my sleep.
Allegedly that is Domenicos Theotokopoulos (or something like that, his real name) looking straight at us, about 7 from left, just above hand. A lovely idea. It's in its own little chapel in Toledo, and is profoundly moving to see. I have a reproduction above my bed, just in case I die in my sleep.
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Music is more able to evoke emotion from me than visual art, but I think that's only to do with me. I'm audio-oriented. But sometimes, I am utterly overwhelmed by the visual. Like with this astounding work by Diego Rivera:
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Yep. Well, actually it's the remake of the one commissioned for Rockefeller Center, since the one commissioned was jackhammered on Rockefeller's orders. There aren't any color photographs of the original that show the whole thing (which was unfinished at the time of its untimely demise). There are a few color snaps of sections of it, and there's a B&W photo of it very near completion. And from what we can piece together, the original would have been even more spectacular (it would have been bigger as well). It's called Man at the Crossroads.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
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--William Shakespeare