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well, Happy 4th to you to, rope! let's all be patriotic and get out there and grill some animal flesh, drink some beer, shoot some fireworks, etc! etc! the great american way--blow something up! and get drunk doing it!
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I think you just about covered it all there, MS. :)

This is happening at your house, no doubt, and we're all invited? :)
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A hymn

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My country used to be
Sweet land of liberty

of thee I sing

Land of gun homicide
Land of my suicide
From every mountainside
Let business ring
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***sigh***

No means of blowing things up in my neck of the woods; the majority of counties in Washington now ban fireworks as a "fire hazard"...the state's too dry, people are idiots, too many wildfires started over the last decade by drunken idiots, etc.

One the lighter side--

The powers that be (County Commissioners) banned--get this--Barbequeing!--outside of the city limits, for the very same reasons.

As of yesterday, that ban was repealed...seems they had thousands of calls from very angry people who have been planning family get-togethers/barbeques for months, and did NOT appreciate the County ruining their plans.

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what would the barbeque police say?


'drop that burger, buddy, up against the wall!'
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How can we call them Freedom Fries if they are not indeed free? :?

Banning barbeque? Good God, what will it be next. Rope? Any ideas?
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How it works

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The insurance lobby will no longer allow you to hurt yourself or someone else. You will still be required to pay premiums, however.

We always try to legislate the shit out of everything. I forget who said it: "The more corrupt a society, the more laws it will have". Someone from way back.

You should wear your seat belt. A law forcing you to do it is designed to help prevent insurance loss, and not created out of fear for your personal safety. Most laws ar about property and property rights. As far as I know, murder is not a federal offense, except for the fact that you are taking away someone's civil rights by denying them thier right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

I'm in pursuit of a big fatty, but I can't have it. This is freedom? Last night, I dreamed I was in prison.

That gets me thinking. It seems to me that Republicans would crown themselves king if given a chance. Demos aren't so outright, they seem to be happy with the fixed democracy that allows them thier chance after the Repubs have fucked it all up. It wouldn't surprise me to see The Bush Boys try something bold "in the name of national security" after they lose the next election.

They are going to lose. We the people couldn't possibly be that stupid. If I can't have Ralph Nader, I guess I'll take Howard Dean.

"Prohibition makes a crime out of something that isn't" - Abraham Lincoln.

They won't be able to ban cigarettes, or alcohol. Too much organized money. They might go after fat, and take a shot at beef, but that'll go over like a lead balloon.

Actually, nothing's really banned, almost everything is available, if you want it bad enough.

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Im not really a big fan of the 4th just because it scares my dogs so much. (The little one is huddled at my feet hyperventilating right now :roll: )

Then theres all that other stuff. Rope says it better than I can.

On the other hand, I did get paid double time today . . .
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Domination

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Did you hear about the new Bush plan for reworking overtime?

Here's the deal: If an employee ever supervises another employee, then that emplyee can be called an "executive" or a "manager", and become exempt from overtime rules.

If this plan goes through, low-wage workers can get some fancy title that places them on exempt salary status, thereby eliminating the possibility of overtime pay regardless of how many hours are worked. That's right, we could all be working over forty hours a week, and still only get forty hours pay.

What a rip! Repubs are such sluts for big business...
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Re: How it works

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[quote=A rope leash]
....That gets me thinking. It seems to me that Republicans would crown themselves king if given a chance. Demos aren't so outright, they seem to be happy with the fixed democracy that allows them thier chance after the Repubs have fucked it all up.....
They are going to lose. We the people couldn't possibly be that stupid. [/quote]

Hmmm, that gets me thinking too.....who is fucking who up??
Yeah, the Demos aren't so outright , they just have arrogance flowing through their veins.
Sure the people could be that stupid.....Clinton served two terms, didn't he? You don't get any more stupid than that!

Whoa!!! Before anybody starts in on me.....I'm not a staunch supporter of anyone in either party. I am a "Reagan Democrat" but I'm more of an independant than anything else. (Ronald Reagan: one of the greatest presidents of all time.) And just as it was in the capital punishment discussion, this is not a cut and dry issue.
I've gotta say though, as a person (and a citizen), Bill Clinton is a slimeball and without a doubt, has disgraced not only the Presidency but the United States. ( It makes me think of when you're a kid, ya know, and you go on the field trip or vacation to Washington DC to take in the history and you're going through the White House...."Yes boys and girls, this is indeed the Oval Office...Correct...Where President Clinton used to get blow jobs under this desk...") Disgraceful. And I'm not talking just about the sex act. (Uh, could you define that?) I'm talking about the two things put together....the context it was in. I don't care to know about anyone's sex life, BUT, Clinton's behavior was a very tell-tale look into the man's morality and values and judgement. Not a guy I want running the most powerful country on earth. And I am no prude.
(Although...if Hilary was MY wife....can you blame him?)
I guess that brings me to Bush Jr....well, the choice was him or Gore and between those two.....we made the right choice. Bush is a good man and that seems to be a rare quality in these times. He walks a fine line between his virtuosity and having to "play the game." I say to myself...do I trust this person? Am I comfortable throwing this person out into the sea of world politics? Are the things that are important to this person important to me? Do they surround themselves with good people and live an admirable lifestyle?
Wow, I can not believe I'm going to post this. This has nothing to do with Elvis. I shouldn't even READ the Annex.
Tell me this isn't gonna open up a can of worms. :lol:

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Re: Domination

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A rope leash wrote:Did you hear about the new Bush plan for reworking overtime?

Here's the deal: If an employee ever supervises another employee, then that emplyee can be called an "executive" or a "manager", and become exempt from overtime rules.

If this plan goes through, low-wage workers can get some fancy title that places them on exempt salary status, thereby eliminating the possibility of overtime pay regardless of how many hours are worked. That's right, we could all be working over forty hours a week, and still only get forty hours pay.

What a rip! Repubs are such sluts for big business...
Yes, Rope....this overtime thing IS ridiculous.
But to the sluts for big business comment I say......entitlements anyone??
I've got nothing better to do with my hard earned money than to hand over 40% of it to provide for all the people who are ENTITLED.
Get a fucking job. Provide for your own so others don't have to do it for you. Become a fucking CITIZEN if you like it here so much and start contributing your share. Use some BIRTH CONTROL because ABORTION is NOT birth control, it's a selfish act of MURDER and I deeply oppose the fact that MY tax dollars go to funding the murders of the innocent unborn just because you're too high to know what the fuck you're doing. (And yes, I do think it's wrong that insurance companies will not pay for birth control. Does that make any sense? But many of the "entitled" don't even have health insurance.....that sucks too. But ya know, that's the system right now and if everyone else has to do it then why should there be others who are "entitled" not to?) If you can dig up the dough to shoot up everyday or light up or whatever, then you can dig up the dough to get some birth control. C'mon, it's a matter of responsibility and feeding the oppressed with entitlements is teaching them it's okay to keep dodging responsibility AND KEEPS YOU OPPRESSED.
A big problem I have with the Democrats is that they operate under the guise of compassion but are actually doing these people an injustice.
Welfare runs through generations of families!! The Democrats feed these people lies by saying the Replublicans don't care about you. They don't think you deserve help or compassion. They're cold, rich, money-grubbing bastards. I'm sure some of them are....but how cruel is it to keep these people down just so you can keep your so-called political ideology in tact?
**Please let me add that I am in no way, shape or form a racist or an imperialist. Inferring otherwise would be a misinterpretation of my opinion and intent.**
Wow, I've got to go... :shock:
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(PLEEEEEEEZ...go easy on me!)
You write a load of inflamatory crap like that and you want people to go easy on you? If I could be bothered I would lay into you and your fascist views, but I can't.
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It's easier to ignore it.
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Well, Sweet, if you had been informed about the goings on of the other boards, then you would know better than to fuck with the dog.

I'm not a Repub or a Demo. I'm an independent with socialist leanings. That's democratic socialism, not dictatorial socialism.

If you are a fan of Elvis, then you should know that you are on the other side of the fence, politically. "Tramp the Dirt Down" applies as much to Ronald Reagan as it does Margaret Thatcher. Ronald Reagan was a puppet of big business who looted the treasury and put us heavily in debt. Sound familiar? In just two years, we've gone from a huge government surplus to a huge government debt, all in the name of people who think they are "entitled" to pay less taxes. Repubs aren't "tax and spend", they're "borrow and spend". They don't have the guts to make the cuts to balance the budget, becasue they know the backlash wll wash them out of office.

Yes, we did make the right choice in the last election. Al Gore won. The conservative Supreme Court stole the election fair and square. As far as W being a noble man, well, I have to disagree. He's a former alchoholic who lost millions of other people money trying to get rich drilling dry wells before he took over as puppet president. Now, he's blowing our cash.

As for the admonishment for to people that they should "get jobs", well, that is typical Repub propaganda, designed to make one person think another is getting something for free, thereby keeping us all divided amongst ourselves. This "get a job" thing is something you might hear from Rush Limbaugh or Fox News. Neither of those entites care much for Elvis, so why does Sweet Pear? Besides the fact that it's getting harder and harder to find a job, for reasons such as NAFTA, and the Crash of 2000, the "welfare state" really doesn't exist anymore, thanks mostly to Bill Clinton. Yes, you can get welfare, but it's for a limited time only, and the job that you are going to get to replace welfare isn't going to pay shit, so you'll stay down there where the wealthy want you. It takes a lot of poor people to make a rich one.

A little bit of this "get a job" stuff comes from the fact that many people do slave thier lives away, and they have an inner jealously of someone who doesn't work. Well, let's say you're down and out, can't afford a roof, you're dumb and bit dirty with an alcohol problem. Who's gonna hire you? Not everyone is blessed with the same opportunities. Take a drive down to East St. Louis, or Hammond, or even Ashbury Park. People need help. That shouldn't be a surprise. Getting them a job would be a good thing. If being on welfare is such a scam, then why don't you switch places with a welfare recipient for a while? Are you too proud? Or are you afraid?

So, Sweet Pear is comfortable throwing W out into the sea of world politics. This guy had never even been outside of the country until after he was elected. Well, the American media might think he's fine, but the rest of the world sees him for what he is, a war mongering opportunist who is insuring a century of warfare through his "might makes right" policies. Much of the world hates the USA, and much of the blame lies upon our sub-intelligent leader. The man is a moron, simple as that. That's not just my opinion, it's the opinion of many scholars, some of whom rate his intelligence quotent at about 90. His admirable lifestyle? Just another hard-ass, ignorant Christian sitting in judgement of the rest of us. Fuck them.

Let's say there really is a black and white dichotomy of "good" and "evil". It is a well know fact that the new "pre-emptive" defense strategy was in place before 9-11. All the Bush Boys needed was an awful event in which it could gain acceptance by the American people. The Saudis are some of W's best friends. Saudis flew the planes. We knew they were here, we knew they were taking flight lessons, it's possible that "we" knew it was going to happen, and that "we" let it happen, so now "we" can go on a world crusade to root out "evil", thereby insuring lots of business for defense contractors. Eisenhower warned us about the "military industial complex". They now have what they want: Never-ending war.

I have to ask, is it really in our best interest to go to the other side of the world to beat up Iraq, when Cuba is so close, and Columbia is killing us with poppies? The lie about the bomb is far more "evil" than the lie about the blow-job. Nobody died as a direct result of the blow-job. Many people have died as a result of the WMD lie. When we kill innocent civilians, it's "collateral damage" That's sick. We killed upwards of 4000 innocent people according to the latest estimates in Iraq, and that's somehow justified in the light of the deaths at the Trade Center? The Iraqis had nothing to do with it! This war is about conquest, and getting our way. What would Jesus bomb? Haven't you listened to your own preacher? The MEEK shall inherit the earth, not the SHEIK! You should turn the other cheek! Was Jesus wrong? O yeah, and THOU SHALT NOT KILL!

One more thing. That 40% number includes all entitlements, and social welfare is a very small part of that percentage. It's nothing compared to what we spend on war apparatus, or corporate hand-outs. I suppose, Sweet Pear, that you will be refusing your Social Security check when it comes your time.

Well, you wanted response, and you got it. My advice to you is to stop accepting everything you hear on Fox News and start checking out the facts, not the lies. Murdoch invented Fox News so that he could have some pull with the Repubs. It's biased, manipulative "journalism", and it's a joke, just like the rest of the so-called free press. The money controls the output.

"Check out the Indians / check out the blacks / check out some figures / check out some facts / check out the facts / not the lies / and you'll find / it's a big surprise / right between the eyes: America is the Home of the Hypocrite." - Violent Femmes.
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" I said LOVE thy neighbor, not SHOVE thy neighbor!" - God

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Rope - If I had the intelligence and knowledge that you have, I might have bothered to post something like that.
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And be careful what you say about "people on welfare", Pear...

When my husband and I were seperated, I was working a full time job at 40 hours a week; couldn't get a penny out of the man to help provide for our son (who was staying with me, 6 years old).

I could barely afford to pay the rent/bills, we were 'surviving', and that was about it.

So, I bowed my head, & applied for medical/food aid. yes, I got food stamps, and my son was provided with medical insurance. It made a hell of a difference in my life.

As soon as I was making enough money, I dropped out of the food stamp program, but, to this day, my son STILL gets State Medical (Thank You, Mr. Clinton!), which is a DAMN good thing (I do pay a $10/month premium), because, as things stand, I'm paying out of pocket for Medical/Dental/Vision for both myself AND my husband (reconciled in 1996), and that eats a large hunk of my paycheck.

See, even as a 2 income family, we have to scrape & scrounge to make ends meet. If it weren't for Washington State DSHS, my son would not be able to see a dentist regularly, & we wouldn't be able to see the doctor as often as he needs to (broken wrist, broken collarbone, broken femur...ah, boys will be boys!)

I guess my point is that the whole "get a job" mentality is so far outta line...I was NEVER unemployed while receiving assistance, but I sure as hell needed it!!

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It's tough out there, guys, and some folks are just so insulated from it that they simply cannot understand. One thing I've noticed in my travels in the past two years: The beggars are back on the streets. They had disappeared there for a while...

Thanks, So Lack, I didn't think it should go unchallenged. I'm really quite frightened at what is happening in my country, but I think I might even be more firghtened if I lived in another country. The more I study it, The Carlyle Group, the PNAC, the more I think these nuts are out to rule the world. Why? They seem to think history demands it. I'm curious about what Noise might think regarding this.

Sweet Pear, I'm waiting for your rebuttal...but hurry, I'm gone soon...
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Rope- an eloquont and thoughtful reply, one which undoubtedly puts you at the head of the pack.

Sweet Pear- I am a great respecter of opinions. I am not arrogant enough to think that somehow my opinion is 'better' than someone else's. However, I do have to take issue with a couple of particular things. Reagan was NOT a great or even good president in my opinion. He was as corrupt as they come. Clinton may have screwed an intern and a couple of bimbos, but Reagan screwed the whole country. Most people have no idea what an incredible, outright violation of the constitution his arms for hostages deal was. He looked the Constitution in the eye and said "I don't care". And now we are naming airports after this 'patriot' and he's not even dead! And Nancy Reagan had as much control in the White House as everyone likes to think Hillary did. Reagan's fiscal irresonsibility (billions on unnecessary weapons programs, etc.) left this country in a recession that cost Bush a second term. Bill Clinton is the only modern era president who turned in balanced budgets and let the economy do its thing, which resulted in several years where we were in the black. I don't blame every woe of the current economy on W., but HE has more entitlement programs than democrats could dream of- all for his rich-ass friends! Now that's an entitlement (FOB- Friend of Bush).

As far as Clinton 'disgracing the US'- if you are talking about the views of people outside our borders, you are sorely mistaken. I am fortunate enough to have friends from all over the world and the general view is that Clinton was an excellent president and one whose intelligence was greatly admired. Most didn't understand the big hullaballooo. W., on the other hand is looked at as a puppet and a moron. Tony Blair's run of power will end soon, IMO, as a direct result of his entanglement to Bush.

Again, just my opinion, but I had to take issue with the Reagan thing.
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I think it's odd that people who want to make a case for Clinton being evil harp on the sex thing and never mention the one really reprehensible act of his presidency: the bombing of a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan. In a refrain that is becoming all too familiar, we supposedly thought this plant was manufacturing "weapons of mass destruction," and then it turned out they made ... pharmaceuticals. Interesting that the bombing took place right before impeachment proceedings were being threatened.

And now we have Wolfowitz actually fucking saying out loud that the whole "weapons of mass destruction" angle was basically a PR campaign to sell the war to the American public, but not our primary motive for invading Iraq.

I liked it better when our leaders at least pretended they believed their lies--at least for a little while.
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Yes, Bill Clinton took a page from the Repub book regarding distractions. What an awful distraction this war has been.

The Bush Boys just don't seem to care about the damage they are doing to the country and the economy. That's what I'm finding so frightening. They don't care if we run deficits, because eventually, we're going to run the world. They don't care if they get caught in a lie, because what are we or anyone else going to do about it?

This might seem like my normal paranoia, but I fear that they will use the military to stay in power if they are indeed defeated in the next election.

"No freaks for us / It can't happen here / no no no no / It can't happen here / I'm telling you my dear / That it CAN happen here... - Frank Zappa
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I don't think they will have to, and I don't think that they would (not this administration, not yet). There's noone on the horizon who can beat him right now. Which amazes me.

There's 2 reasons we went to Iraq. And they are, in order:

1. It's centrally located, so as to facilitate further military action in the middle East without having to ask anyone's help or permission (our military will be there when my kids have kids).

2. Guess. Vroom Vroom.

Any comments about cruel dictators will be referred to our #1 trading partner, China. Any comments about WMD will be referred to our own killer fucking arsenal.
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i'm quite impressed w/ the budget deficits we are currently running, and how they seem to get no mention in the news. whatever happened to the balanced budget amendment? i *remember* such a thing. perhaps it was a dream.
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People:
I have not read through all your comments. It's my own fault for opening my mouth but I have neither the time or the energy to continue this discussion.
Not a cop out, just that argueing politics is not the reason I joined this board. I'm a big girl and I took the bait.
For the millionth time (Rope) I WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE OTHER BOARD. I am not aware of your "club" rules. And once again, I didn't know that being a member of the "other" board was a pre-requisite to joining this one.
As I said before, I did not read all your comments but I can tell you this (Miss BA) I'm not a fascist. Your tunnel vision is not an appealing quality.
I'm not "looking down" on anyone. I am your average, hard working middle class American. I think this world is a fucked up place and getting worse every day. I have tremendous compassion for ALL peoples. My anger is aimed at all the injustice in this world.

Forget it, I'm not gonna do this. I'm not going to start singling out people and picking apart every sentence......these are never ending arguements.
I'm not angry anymore....
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